tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6956717416810052129.post8242066105507070254..comments2020-12-27T11:13:53.134-05:00Comments on Good Point: Ethical Electronics, Recycling "e-Waste" Blog: CRT Cullet, CRT Cullet, EverywhereRobinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17669077665223573133noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6956717416810052129.post-91138412840220267852015-08-18T20:20:43.605-04:002015-08-18T20:20:43.605-04:00Congress needs to pass some kind of law to do some...Congress needs to pass some kind of law to do something about crt glass. We have to pay to dump our old crt in the landfill.plum stupid. We pay to pollute.bobby recyclerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06998074326393804024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6956717416810052129.post-75815045381403712892015-08-18T20:17:44.081-04:002015-08-18T20:17:44.081-04:00Someone just needs to fix this now.
In florida we ...Someone just needs to fix this now.<br />In florida we have to pay $5.00per unit to put crt glass in the landfill. This is stupid. And people dont want to pay so they dump them in the woods. Same problem. No way to win this.congress needs to act quickly.bobby recyclerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06998074326393804024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6956717416810052129.post-67927994983672545392013-08-18T12:43:43.909-04:002013-08-18T12:43:43.909-04:00https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpu...https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpubs.usgs.gov%2Fof%2F2004%2F1395%2F2004-1395.pdf<br /><br />This is an excellent 2004 report by USGS describing the major copper refining operations in the world. If you add up the leaded silicate in each nation's chart, you have an enormous amount of lead and silica which are going to be used, either virgin content or recycled content. The analogy to toilet paper remains. The "final resting point" of toilet paper is less romantic than a Hallmark Greeting card, but cutting down trees to make toilet paper is the only possible result if you don't count recycled content toilet paper as "recycling".Robinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17669077665223573133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6956717416810052129.post-63354920386833952022011-11-04T18:14:11.551-04:002011-11-04T18:14:11.551-04:00My definition of recycling is replacing the mining...My definition of recycling is replacing the mining activity with something made from scrap. <br /><br />I agree on many points, but in the end, if a tree was not cut down and a vein of ore or silica was left, it is recycling. Glass to glass is a higher end use, but the sun is setting on that market. Tomorrow morning, in real life, our neighbor's copper smelter will again dump 200 tons of virgin silica and mix in 8% lead for the fluxing agent. If next week they use 100 tons of CRT glass, they only need 120 tons of virgin silica and no additional mined lead. Environmentally, that counts.Robinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17669077665223573133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6956717416810052129.post-75855578714883754922011-11-04T14:22:25.515-04:002011-11-04T14:22:25.515-04:00Robin, I agree with what you say, my issue is with...Robin, I agree with what you say, my issue is with using the term "recycled" when applied to CRT glass used as a flux raising agent in a smelter. If I put a coke can in a recycling bin I'm fairly confident that 99.999% of it will be turned into something new, maybe a plane, maybe a car or possibly even a new coke can. The same goes for the newspapers I recycle, they might end up as tissue paper and have a short un-glamorous life but then again they might end up as the pristine office paper your pay rise notification is printed on. <br /><br />The point is the materials will have a second life and become a tangible product. <br /> <br />Using CRT glass to displace some other silica source in a smelter is not what most people would consider to be true recycling. You say it is replacing a virgin raw material but the world is awash with other types of waste glass so really it is displacing waste auto or container glass rather than virgin sand. The argument isn't really waste CRT vs virgin sand it is waste CRT vs another type of waste glass. <br /><br />There are carbon savings to be made as glass melts at a lower temperature than virgin sand and leaded CRT glass melts at a slightly lower temperature than container glass. But then again, you're going to emit a lot of carbon dioxide hauling CRT glass 2,000 miles to displace some locally sourced waste container glass?<br /><br />This is the issue that never seems to come out when the glass to glass route is discussed. Everyone wants to talk about the energy saved at the CRT production facility and they seem to forget how many miles the waste glass has to travel to get there. <br /><br />My point is that when someone takes the time to drop off their TV at a recycling event I believe they are expecting it to be "recycled" into something new. Many E-Scrap companies websites talk about "100% recycling" and "nothing goes to landfill". <br /><br />I'm sure if you talked to someone who had just dropped off their old TV for recycling and told them that around 60% of it was going to end up as "moderately toxic" slag in a landfill they would wonder why they had made the effort? <br /><br />In the absence of any alternative recycling route I'm happy to concede that if waste CRT glass is going to end up in a landfill it might as well pass through a lead smelting furnace first but this isn't "recycling" as it is perceived by Joe Public. <br /><br />In Germany CRTs are "recycled" by using them to back fill old mine-shafts and in the UK crushed CRT panel glass is "recycled" by being used as daily top cover at landfill sites. Recycling? Really? Or is this just a handy term to describe legalised landfilling of waste that the public had paid to be recycled? <br /><br />The E-Scrap industry will need a very convincing argument that this is the best environmental option when all those people who have paid $10 - $30 to have their old TV "recycled" find out that actually the really hazardous bit is now sat in a landfill somewhere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6956717416810052129.post-52502031069855679782011-11-04T08:02:13.218-04:002011-11-04T08:02:13.218-04:00Dear Anonymous,
This is an excellent response. I ...Dear Anonymous,<br /><br />This is an excellent response. I do have counter-points, however.<br /><br />First, you misunderstand what the CRT cullet can displace. It is not mined ore or galena, it is the fluxing agent / silica. Lead smelters will still mine lead.<br /><br />However, whether it is a lead smelter or even a copper smelter, lead is also added to the silica for the fluxing agent you describe. Not even copper and gold furnaces use lead-free silica in flux. Our partner in Mexico uses 220 tons per day. I don't know what Teck Cominco proposes to use, or what Phelps Dodge could be using.<br /><br />Therefore, the "slag" you complain about is going to be there whether it is recycled content or not. Recycling is defined best as displacing a virgin raw material, not by its final point of rest. Recycled content in tissue paper doesn't cease to be recycled because it's flushed down a toilet.<br /><br />If all the smelters in North America use CRT funnel glass, or even panel glass, to displace just 20% of the leaded cullet they use as flux, the CRT cullet problem would be solved, probably within a decade.. TV glass is finite, but copper and lead production will continue. It's certainly a better option than the petition to landfill the CRT glass in CA.<br /><br />Yes, the moderately toxic slag will still be slag, but the lead in it will at least be recycled rather than new lead mined from the earth. The total amount of lead on the planet is lessened. <br /><br />Lead also reduces the melting point of silica, so there are energy benefits - and carbon benefits - to recycling CRT cullet at smelters.<br /><br />Your point overall seems to be that we're better off selling CRT cullet to glass-to-glass CRT furnaces, and I could not agree more. The point of my article is that environmentalists exaggeration of toxics and publicity campaign affects all businesses using virgin product. Samsung in Klang stopped buying CRT cullet from the USA because of an environmentalist, as did one of the Chinese CRT furnaces, which dismantled its glass recycling line and sold it to Indonesia factory in Semarang... which was then attacked by the same publicity seeking non-profit.<br /><br />No good deed goes unpunished...Robinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17669077665223573133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6956717416810052129.post-80995678973052321162011-11-04T06:12:25.919-04:002011-11-04T06:12:25.919-04:00An interesting article but there are some points w...An interesting article but there are some points which are misleading. The lead ore which is mined is lead sulphide (Galena)not lead silicate. This is roasted to produce lead oxide which is then smelted with coal or coke to give metallic lead. Small amounts of silica are added during the smelting process to aid with the formation of slag which contains around 1.5% lead along with other toxic impurities. <br />It is correct that CRT glass can be used as a silica source in a lead smelting furnace but it is wrong to imply that 220 tonnes of lead ore can be entirely displaced by 220 tonnes of CRT glass. Smelter operators keep the silica additions to an absolute minimum as it takes a lot of energy to melt silica and they want to produce as little slag as possible. <br /><br />If you assume 20% lead content for well separated CRT funnel glass, using it in a lead smelting plant will recover 18.5% of the lead. This means that 81.5% of the funnel glass put into the smelter ends up as toxic furnace slag that can't be used for anything useful due to high levels of lead, zinc, arsenic and other toxic metals. Is this really an acceptable route for "recycling" CRT glass? <br /><br />If the feed to the furnace is whole CRTs which average out at 6% lead then the amount of lead recovered in the process drops to 4.5%, 95.5% of the CRT glass ends up as slag. This isn't really a sustainable solution to the mountains of CRT glass piling up around the world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com